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GeneralEdit

The Island where Oceanic Airlines Flight 815 crashed might be, or have been part of a lost mythical continent.

(note that none of what is discussed below is really referring to a continent -- all of the theories (Atlantis, etc) refer to islands)

DetailsEdit

Foot-statue

The four toed foot and part of its pedestal.

  • Ben (aka Henry Gale) says that no one will find the island
  • Desmond cannot leave the island
  • In the season 2 finale, we see a foot of a giant statue (with four toes), pointing to a remnant of a lost civilization.
    • and since then many other ruins
  • Walt might have powers (telepathy, astral travel) often associated with members of legendary races.
  • John's father is strapped to a pillar building which looks to influenced by the Greeks.
  • The reason no one knows where this island is is because it's where it's not supposed to be, ie. the South Pacific.

Pros/ PositivesEdit

  • The island "sinks" in a flash of light at the end of season 4; this phenomenon exactly matches the description of what happened to Atlantis. All that would be necessary would be for the island to be sent back in time and vanish once more, the ancients would interpret it as sinking in the ocean.
    • Time travel would not be needed. It simply would have to have been in that area (The Med) during that time to have the effect.
  • The fantastic "magical" level of technology there is indicative of the knowledge and power that (legend has it) the Atlanteans possessed.
  • The Egyptian influence (Egyptian Gods and mythology, specifically) actually infers that the island is the source of Egyptian culture; Atlantis being the "founder" culture of ancient Egypt is a very common alternative-history viewpoint. The best examples are "Fingerprints of the Gods" and "Message of the Sphinx" by Graham Hancock but there are also books by countless others (e.g. John Anthony West's "Serpent in the Sky").
    • It infers no such thing. It could simply be that a bunch of Egyptians came to the island at some point and brought their culture with them.
  • The setting for a great TV show. In fact, in 1987, David Lynch and Mark Frost proposed a comedy to NBC called The Lemurians. The plot was to involve a leak of Lemurian essence from the bottom of the Pacific Ocean threatening the world. NBC rejected the proposal, though Lynch and Frost would later collaborate in the creation of Twin Peaks for ABC in 1990 and 1991.
  • The show is called "Lost"... While at face-value this refers to the survivors of Oceanic 815, such a setting gives it a perfect double meaning.

Cons/ ProblemsEdit

  • If the continent is missing, how did the DHARMA Initiative find it in the first place?
    • In "316" we learn that the DHARMA Initiative had gathered evidence the Island existed, and established the Lamp Post station in Los Angeles to help calculate where the Island would be.
    • This is an irrelevant question and doubt, the argument forgets that something is only lost until it is found. Assume Dharma keeps its location a secret once discovered, seeing as the technology/knowledge there is dangerously super-powerful. Atlantis is only "lost" in tradition because it is undiscovered (so far as we know, anyway). The comment/issue raised above seems to suggest that nothing could be considered once "lost" if it was later "found."
    • Also, why would the DHARMA Initiative need to gather evidence to prove the island existed if it had not been "lost"?

AtlantisEdit

Atlantis is a lost civilization that the philosopher Plato describes in some of his works. It was supposedly millennia ahead of its time and sank after a massive earthquake following its loss in the war with Athens. While it is considered an allegory to Greece's own demise, some theorize that it did, in fact, exist.

DetailsEdit

The island may be the peak of Atlantis's tallest mountains and the remnants of the statue are what's left of an ancient Atlantian temple. The Black Rock (ship) is beached somewhere on the island, suggesting that at some time the island was at least partially "under water". However, this is refuted by the episode "Ad Aeterno", where we can see that the ship crashed in the middle on the island because of a very strong storm.

  • The Black Rock may have been in a part of the ocean in which the island appeared after another flash/movement (Incident, etc.) or "rose up" in. However, after episode "Ad Aeterno", it seems that the island was already there when the ship crashed.

Pros/ PositivesEdit

  • The big-four-toed stone foot at the end of season two clearly reminds the architectonic themes of ancient Greek architecture. Atlantis, according to its myth, was located approximately in that period of history.
    • The statue is revealed to be holding 2 Anhks in Season 5, episode "LaFleur" - Egypt is also very strongly tied to Atlantis folklore.
  • Atlantis is described by Plato as sinking in "a cataclysm of fire and water" presumed to be a volcanic eruption that led to sinking. There is a volcano upon the island.
  • The foot having four toes points out at the same time that the ancient dwellers of the Island were anthropomorphic creatures and that they had something different from the rest of mankind. This fits pretty well in the imagery we have of Atlantis: people like us and - at the same time - not really like us.
    • This can be disproven by the fact that the toes belong to the previously intact Statue of Taweret, an Egyptian goddess.
  • Most of the mysterious happenings that take place on the island appear to refer to different fields (premonitions, hallucinations, unexplicable technologies, epidemics, geomagnetism) that would hardly find one single explanation, or at least one single source for all explanations. Considering, anyway, that in the western imagery we commonly look at Atlantis as to an island where people had some sort of superior wisdom that included magic and technology at the same time, the Island being Atlantis would explain much of these different phenomena.
  • Walt - who is one of the more "mystically" involved characters of the whole story - at a certain stage of the first Season is reading a Spanish comic, with a polar bear appearing in one of the pages. Polar bears appear in two different occasions in the series, attacking Walt in one. In the same comic (zooming on which the cameraman keenly indulged during that episode), on another page was drawn a big city-island under a big glass dome, in an Arctic environment. Considering the parallel between the fictional and the real polar bears, it's likely that also the drawing of the city-island means something - Atlantis? It should be considered, also, that according to modern legends and theories about it, the inhabitants of Atlantis would have originated from the North Pole. One of the scriptures on Eko's stick said to "look north" and Taweret is goddess of the northern sky.
  • Atlantis had knowledge millennia ahead of us. This could also include technology. This might be the technology present on the island, and as known, when The Numbers aren't pressed on time, a discharge takes place causing destruction. This destruction might have caused Atlantis to disappear.
  • The island is portable, so it can explain how Atlantis became lost.
    • Due to this portability, it is probable that it at one point existed in the Mediterranean Sea, or near it. This would account for the Egyptian influence seen over much of the island. Evidence of this can be seen in Across the Sea. The "bad" people were fairly clearly Romans. Jacob's mother spoke Latin and these events occurred 2000 years ago. Since it is very unlikely that Romans could get to the South Pacific, it's more likely the island was in the Med during this time.
      • It is possible that if the island was in the Mediterranian, that Mother was the origin of the Circe myth in the Odyssey. She seemed to have some ability to use magic as seen in Across the Sea. She could stop Jacob and the Man in Black from hurting each other and seemed to magically seal the well that the Man in Black dug on the island. In the Circe myth she turned men into animals, in the case of Odysseus, his men became pigs. While she may not have to power to transform people, there were a lot of boars on the island even when she was alive. These could represent the "grain of truth" in the myth.
  • The island gets sucked into the ocean, or it could appear to sink. Just like Atlantis.
  • When considering a theory of this magnitude it is important to remember the story is fiction. Therefore the actual existence of "Atlantis" whether a continent or island is a myth and therefore lends itself to "creative license."
  • Several clues point from the creators, writers & producers: Fans of Stephen King will remember that he wrote a story called

"Hearts in Atlantis." Stephen King has been referenced several times in the show.

  • The Ankh as seen in "LaFleur" is normally associated with the Egyptians as are the heiroglyphics seen in various form on the

island. However, there are many theories that postulate that the Egyptians were visited by the wayward Atlanteans after their island fell and therefore brought much of their knowledge and custom to Egypt.

  • Edgar Cayce, "The Sleeping Prophet," once predicted that a tomb would be discovered/uncovered beneath the Sphinx at Giza in which evidence of Atlantis' existence would be revealed. Hurley was seen painting a Sphinx in TLADOJB.
  • A race of advanced beings with a land of very advanced technology would likely want a way to shield themselves & their land from the mostly backwater peoples inhabiting the world. Hence being able to move the island. And when the inhabitants must leave/die off/whatever happened, they must have caretakers on the island to carry on with keeping it from the worlds view (though why the Dharma group was allowed to stay & build, I do not know).
  • In "The Incident" The "Loophole Man" asks Jacob if he's trying to prove him worng, after Jacob admits that he is bringing the boat to the island. Also the people that Richard Alpert (Ricardus) knows say Lapidus might be a "candidate." Atlantis is described as a society of the best of human beings, and one could only be permitted to enter the island if they knew a password that only the greatest of people could know.
  • In "LA X" the island is seen to be submerged underwater, the Dharma houses and the remnants of Four Toed statue lay at the bottom of the ocean. This is the shows most obvious link with Atlantis so far.

Cons/ ProblemsEdit

  • It is taken as writ that the losties are somewhere in the south-pacific. The words Atlantis and Atlantic are derived from the same root (Atlas, the Greek titan), and so it is that most scholars and hunters turn to the Atlantic Ocean for the most viable spot.
    • Since we now know that the island is portable, it is possible that once it was actually in the Atlantic, and now it's not.
      • This is nonsense. Atlas literally holds the "World" on his shoulders. The Atlantic was named for him, Atlantis was likely named after him by Plato (it wasn't necessarily what the natives called it). Plenty of things are named after gods, it doesn't mean squat. Anyway, the name Atlantic was a Roman invention, long after the greeks and Atlantians!
      • It was more likely in the Mediterranean Sea. Plato described it as being an island before the Pillars of Hercules (Rocks of Gibraltor). Atlantis literally means Island of Atlas. Though the Atlantic is the Sea of Atlas.
    • I think the Black Rock being there shows some evidence for the Island once being in the Atlantic however, as slave ships sailed from Britain -> West Africa -> USA -> Britain, during the slave trade, if the ship passed the island the chances are it was in the Atlantic during Jacob and "Mystery Man's" talk.
      • Just because the American slave trade went that way, does not mean it was in the Atlantic at the time. At the time of the Black Rocks arrival (1867 as seen in Ab Aeterno), naval technology allowed people to go almost anywhere in the world. Plus the slave trade was over, as the US just finished the Civil War, meaning no more slaves. The Black Rocks last known port before the island was in the Atlantic however (Canary Islands). But this information does not prove where the island was at the time.
  • There exists no rock solid proof that Atlantis ever existed, most who believe in or support such the existence do so relying on little and unstable evidence.
    • On the other hand, there's no need of any proof of the existence of Atlantis to make a show about it, in the same way in which Roland Emmerich could direct Independence Day without any proof that Aliens existed and actually wanted to exterminate mankind.
  • The Black Rock is not a reliable example of the fact that the island may have been partially underwater.
    • It has been shown that the island was not underwater at the time of the arrival of the Black Rock. It was swept inland by a massive storm as seen in Ab Aeterno.

LemuriaEdit

Many fans see Lemuria, which is essentially the same as Mu as a natural candidate for the island.

  • It should be obvious to most open-minded people that the stories of Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis, Aztalan (Mayan myth) most likely point the SAME PLACE, merely different cultures' interpretations of the "land of the Gods" - from which their history and knowledge derive.

DetailsEdit

  • Lemuria is a 19th century supposition to account for discontinuities in biogeography that were emerging in the fossil record. Lemurs are only observed in Madagascar, but their fossils were turning up as far flung as Pakistan and China. To account for this distribution Philip Sclater, an eminent zoologist, proposed that a continent that had previously connected the land masses had sunk into the sea.
  • Many writers, pseudo-archeologists, psychics and the Tamil people believe Lemuria is an ancient land with a complex and rich social history, which is now lost (much like Atlantis).
  • Lemuria is known as the Atlantis of the Pacific, and it is presumed that the Island is located in the Pacific.
    • aside: location of the island is irrelevant, unless we learn in upcoming episode(s) that it spent a LONG time in the same place.
  • Stone monuments of mysterious origin dot the entire Pacific, from Japan's underwater site at Yonaguni, to cryptic Petroglyphs on Hawaii's Big Island, to Easter Island's Moai
  • Edgar Cayce (March 18, 1877 – January 3, 1945) was an author who claimed his psychic readings affirmed the existence of Atlantis and Lemuria. He wrote that survivors of Atlantis and Lemuria had concealed beneath it a "Hall of Records" containing all the wisdom of their lost civilization and the true history of the human race. Cayce claimed to have prophesied this Hall of Records would be rediscovered and re-opened.
    • Cayce called Lemuria, Zu or Oz
      • There are many Wizard of Oz references in LOST.
    • Cayce maintained that the Lemurians were a psychically advanced Race.
    • The five main themes of Cayce's work are closely related to the events on island, and those of the Hanso Foundation and the Dharma Initiative: (1) Health-Related Information; (2) Philosophy and Reincarnation; (3) Dreams and Dream Interpretation; (4) ESP and Psychic Phenomena; and (5) Spiritual Growth, Meditation, and Prayer.
    • In addition one of his main themes was his belief in The Duality of Man - According to Cayce, Atlantean and Lemurian society was divided into two long-lived political factions - a "good" faction called the "Sons of the Law of One," and an "evil" faction called the "Sons of Belial."
      • Henry Gale claims John Locke is "one of the good ones." This might imply there is a "good" and a "bad" faction on the island.
    • The Island may speak through dreams. There is a relation with Eko's dream, Locke's Dream, Claire's dream and Charlie's dream.
      • Edgar Cayce stated: "God may speak to us through dreams. Dreams may be taken as warnings, as advice, as conditions to be met, conditions to be viewed in a way and manner as lessons, as truths, as they are presented."
  • According to crystalinks.com/lemuria.html [1] Lemurians were thought projections not physically beings.

Pros/ PositivesEdit

  • The Castaways are presumed to be in the Pacific, the mythical Location of Lemuria
  • Wizard of Oz References Point to Lemuria
  • There are many References to "Alice in Wonderland", with episode titles, white rabbit, looking glass,;various props, a white rabbit, the book anoitented Alice, jack chasing his dead father like the rabbit ect.
  • In physics the symbol µ represents the magnetic permeability of a material.
    • It should also be noted that µ (or Mu) is the 12th letter of the Greek alphabet. If this isn't a clue then I don't know what is.
    • On a windows based system Typing the numbers (4,8,15,16,23,42) using a side keypad, not the numbers on the top of your keyboard, and holding the alt key you get the symbol µ
  • It is believed by some that the Garden of Eden was located here (Adam and Eve)
  • It is believed that the Lemurians used underground passageways to manuveur around the island

Cons/ ProblemsEdit

  • Lemuria is the name of a hypothetical "lost land" variously located in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Its 19th century origins lie in attempts to account for discontinuities in biogeography. But current knowledge of the mechanisms of plate tectonics rules out the possibility of a major continent having existed in the Pacific.
    • Again, just because it has been ruled out in real life doesn't mean that it can't exist in the context of a fictional TV show.
    • Even if a major continent having existed in the Pacific, has been ruled out by plate tectonics. The recent additions of an island moving through time and space would account for discontinuities in biogeography. Like a Polar Bear on a tropical island.
      • Its a T.V show... and plus they have hinted in season 5 finale that the polar bears are the "ridiculous experiments"

LinksEdit

  1. Atlantis
  2. Lemuria
  3. Mu

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